Posts by FatFreek 2005

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Date predictions, Mayans vs. Watchtower

by FatFreek 2005 in

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cheers, len miller.

I have a dream.

by jean-luc picard in

FatFreek 2005

That's interesting. I have them every few months or so. Last night, in fact.

They're usually about struggling to prepare for a talk -- preparing visual aids, or procrastinating about the talk, or trying to think of an excuse not to give the talk. Then, coming to the realization that I haven't been a JW for 33 years and why a I even doing this -- a great relief. I usually wake up in a cold sweat.

To you lurkers who think it's a guilt trip, I also have dreams that I've gone back to smoking -- and that's been 50 years.

Len

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I Do Believe in Armageddon!

by Was New Boy in

not the same one that the jehovah witnesses believe in.

none the less major earth changes leading up to 2012.. events where 80%+ of the earth's population is going away!.

i was asked just "what have i been doing the last 2 years.

FatFreek 2005

Howdy to you, WNB. Haven't seen hide nor hair of you since Dallas fest. Hope you're doing well.

I changed that list, the former known Bethelites, replacing New Boy with Was New Boy since you changed your handle.

Len

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"No looting" -- reports from Japan. What, only JW's remain?

by FatFreek 2005 in

check it out with your favorite search tool.

japan and looting.

you will see report after report with the same theme -- virtually little to no looting.. now note this, from wiki: about 70 percent of japanese profess no religious membership,according to johnstone (1993:323), 84% of the japanese claim no personal religion.. is it possible that a country that is so devoid of religion to have such a high degree of respect for the belongings of their fellow citizens?.

FatFreek 2005

Not long ago a very insightful thread on the decline of Jehovah's Witnesses in Japan was posted. Our Barbara Anderson, possible san (a Japanese ex-jw), and others offered revealing thoughts.

Len

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"No looting" -- reports from Japan. What, only JW's remain?

by FatFreek 2005 in

check it out with your favorite search tool.

japan and looting.

you will see report after report with the same theme -- virtually little to no looting.. now note this, from wiki: about 70 percent of japanese profess no religious membership,according to johnstone (1993:323), 84% of the japanese claim no personal religion.. is it possible that a country that is so devoid of religion to have such a high degree of respect for the belongings of their fellow citizens?.

FatFreek 2005

Yes, DGP, I drive one (a Toyota Avalon) and thankfully it has not "run away" from me yet. Probably the best made vehicle I've owned.

I just browsed the WT Library, 2010, and the last mention of Japan in yearbooks is 1998. That article did not focus on current statistics and progress but rather the history of JWs from the early 50s till then.

Len

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"No looting" -- reports from Japan. What, only JW's remain?

by FatFreek 2005 in

check it out with your favorite search tool.

japan and looting.

you will see report after report with the same theme -- virtually little to no looting.. now note this, from wiki: about 70 percent of japanese profess no religious membership,according to johnstone (1993:323), 84% of the japanese claim no personal religion.. is it possible that a country that is so devoid of religion to have such a high degree of respect for the belongings of their fellow citizens?.

FatFreek 2005

Check it out with your favorite search tool. Japan and looting. You will see report after report with the same theme -- virtually little to no looting.

Now note this, from Wiki: About 70 percent of Japanese profess no religious membership,according to Johnstone (1993:323), 84% of the Japanese claim no personal religion.

Is it possible that a country that is so devoid of religion to have such a high degree of respect for the belongings of their fellow citizens?

Len

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How can they claim that every prophecy in the bible has a greater fulfilment today???

by highdose in

seems that the gb take every story they can in the bible and claim that although it happened then, it will also happen now.

although this time it will be the gb who is jehosophat, david, paul, jermiah... etc etc take your pick.

what scriptual basis do they have for this belief??

FatFreek 2005

Came the year 1925 and the fourth angelic trumpeter stood poised for action. His trumpet was blown and a third of the sun, moon and stars were smitten and darkened. (Rev. 8:12) During a regional convention at Indianapolis, Indiana, on August 24-31, 1925, God’s servants heartily endorsed a resolution under the title "Message of Hope." It made loving expressions, but also showed that the people had fallen into darkness in Christendom, which claims to be the world’s spiritual light. Yearbook, 1975, p. 137 Part 2--United States of America

In the place of that horrible darkness in Christendom, those conventioneers were looking forward to the wonderful light of true Christianity that was only 5 weeks away:

"The year 1926 would therefore begin about October first, 1925. We should, therefore, expect shortly after 1925 to see the awakening of Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Melchisedec, Job, Moses, Samuel, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, John the Baptist, and others mentioned in the eleventh chapter of Hebrews. ... No doubt many boys and girls who read this book will live to see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Daniel, and those other men of old come forth in the glory of their better resurrection, of perfect in mind and body. It will not take long for Christ to appoint them to their post of honor and authority as his earthly representatives. The world and all the present conveniences will seen strange to them at first, but they will soon become accustomed to the new methods. They may have some amusing experiences at first; for they never saw telephones, radios, automobiles, electric lights, aeroplanes, steam engines, and many other things so familiar to us." The Way to Paradise, 1924 pp.224,226

How memorable, indeed.

Len

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How can they claim that every prophecy in the bible has a greater fulfilment today???

by highdose in

seems that the gb take every story they can in the bible and claim that although it happened then, it will also happen now.

although this time it will be the gb who is jehosophat, david, paul, jermiah... etc etc take your pick.

what scriptual basis do they have for this belief??

FatFreek 2005

A large number of prophecies had their initial application or fulfillment on the contemporary people, many prophecies expressing God’s judgment on fleshly Israel and surrounding nations and foretelling Israel and Judah’s overthrow and subsequent restoration. Yet these prophecies did not lose their value for later generations, as for the Christian congregation, either in the first century C.E. or in our own time. The apostle says: "For all the things that were written aforetime were written for our instruction, that through our endurance and through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope." (Ro 15:4) Insight, Vol 2 p. 692 Prophecy

That's our position about the matter and we're sticking to it -- The Rules Committee.

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How can they claim that every prophecy in the bible has a greater fulfilment today???

by highdose in

seems that the gb take every story they can in the bible and claim that although it happened then, it will also happen now.

although this time it will be the gb who is jehosophat, david, paul, jermiah... etc etc take your pick.

what scriptual basis do they have for this belief??

FatFreek 2005

ProdigalSon: What part of "nor will occur again" leaves any room for any "antitypical fulfillment"?

That's an exception to the rules -- The Rules Committee. By the way, we're the rules committee and we just made that one up.

Len

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Finished Mystery (1917)... The book that Jesus approved...

by Alfred in

so a few months ago, a friend sent me an actual copy of finished mystery which was published in 1917 (not a pdf download... the actual book).

i must say, this was the most disturbing book i have ever had the displeasure of reading.

but i only read it because this was the main publication that was being distributed worldwide when jesus supposedly chose the watchtower in 1918 and i basically wanted to see for myself what jesus saw in the wt that would compel him to choose this religious corporation over all other religious denominations.. anyway, if anyone is interested in knowing the actual contents of this book, here are some bullet points i put together from some of the notes i took as i read the book:.

FatFreek 2005

I just went over the 1917 version I have , and except for the illustrations , all was on point.

Thanks for that, I74.

Len